Thursday, October 16, 2008

Rock Castle

What symbolic relationship could the forest and Rock Castle have?

12 comments:

Nate Treacy said...

The castle rock essentially symbolizes isolation and loneliness on the island. The castle rock was separated from the island, which was basically on e very large mass of mountain. It was sort of like Simon. He wasn't different from the rest of the group, and fit the stereotype of one of the boys from Lord of the Flies. However, he had rolled away from the boys, much like the Castle Rock did. It is also like the island itself. They were far from civilization, and had become entrenched in an isolated environment, wiht nowhere to go.

Hanggi Lee said...

I agree with Nathan. Yes, the castle symbolizes isolation form the island. The castle is where Jack took his tribe to be seperated from the others. He tries to be different and hold power by isolation. If the other kids can't see the other part of the island and only see Jack as a leader, then there won't be any battles between him and someone else.

ahra cho said...

I sort of agree with both of them, but I also think that the forest and the Rock Castle symbolize violence. In the forest, Jack killed pigs. It was where violence began. The chant of killing a pig affected everyone else and made all the boys more violent.
In the Rock Castle, Jack’s new reign began. He used violence towards the kids for doing something that didn’t please him. Jack is a bad model for the boys because he taught them, at young age, how to treat someone they don’t like. It is like a mother (In this case Jack) treating their son (the boys) in a bad way. Everyone knows that the bad influence from a boy come from they parents.

Erika said...

For me i think that the forest represents a little bit of savageness, but not too much. i would also think that the forest represents, unity. kids have the chance of getting along better and understanding each other. now castle rock, for me is completely savagery, because there is where jack is, and if he's there then people around him become savage, and will have the feeling of killing or doing something to someone.

MaRy G. Miller said...

Castle rock is basically to me the opposite of loneliness because the people in Castle rock are all together but it is either forcedly or by intimidation. The Castle Rock represents what in essence jack is also, intimidation and boasting and the reason why Jack chose that place to be is because it is big and makes him feel like he I sin charge, as if he wants to regain the power he had lost to Ralph in the beginning.

faaBy said...

Castle Rock and the forest were on the opposite sides of the island. As the story starts to develop and the kids eventually split into two different tribes, the big gap between these places symbolizes the huge differences between the tribes.
As Nathan said, Castle Rock symbolizes isolation and it invoked hostility.

jesi hayes said...

Faby has a very good point when she says that, "As Nathan said, Castle Rock symbolizes isolation and it invoked hostility." For not only is it isolated and indeed helped spurr hostile ideas for when the boys first saw it they mentioned, "'One heave [at the loose rocks],' cried Jack, exulting, 'and-wheee-!'"(106). The Rock Castle is also a place were things can be more controlled by one monarch or ruler which in this case in Jack.
I disagree with Erika when she says that the forest encourages savagery, I believe it is backwards. In the forest the boys are encouraged to work together and all be part of each other, like a forest is made up of many different kinds of plants that together form the green jungle, the kids have to work together and cooperate as one. Though, i must admit that the forest and the need to track down the pig encourages like a game of hide and seek, like prey and predator and in the end it can become savage.

Won Park said...

Actually, in this situation, I agree with everyone which all of them have a good point. As Fabiola mentioned, the opposite sides made the creation of two different tribes/groups. With these two groups that didn't get along, they relationship is that they are isolated just within two tribes that they don't get along well. Also, as Ahra has mentioned, it also symbolizes violence because if both tribes don't get along, they need to use violence in order to take over the whole island. These are some of the points that I agreed with everyone.

Ryan said...

There is a quote that states that people who are abusing animals rarely stop there and often continue on to mistreat or kill humans.

I think that this could be the case here. Jack started out killing pigs but it eventually led to a couple of boys being murdered.

Castle rock. In my opinion, this is a show of power and strength. In the book it is described as a well fortified, stategical fortress. Smart people would use this to their advantage, even if it were on an isolated island. In my opinion, I think Jack made the right move to take up his position at the fortress while i think that Ralph should have taken it as their main position as soon as it was discovered. He was worried about all the consequences but did he look at the benefits? I dont think so...

Amy G said...

the forest is were everything goes on. It symbolizes the mainline of savagery. Rock Castle, like everybody else says, symbolizes isolation. They go there so they can feel an actual physical disconnection with the rest of the group. Also, the feeling that they can monitor the passage in and out of the Rock Castle gives thema sense of power and authority.

Unknown said...

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Unknown said...

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