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Piggy was more of an advisor to Ralph than Roger a cronie to Jack. Piggy was the second in command to Ralph because of his obvious competence for reasoning, and his good logic. He was also with Ralph since the beginning. Roger was second in command because of two things. First, he was part of the choir. Second, he was the smartest, biggest, and toughest one next on. At some point though, the other boys probably noticed that messing with Roger was probably not a good idea, so that give Roger a clear shot to be second in command.
I agree with most of what Amy said. Piggy was a true advisor to Ralph, while Roger simply was second. Piggy almost seems to allude to the historical character, Rasputin, of Russia's history. However, Piggy did not attempt to take power because he would not be listened to and simply ridiculed, so he worked through Ralph. He was very intelligent and not athletic, becoming a dear friend of Ralph.
Roger was different. Yes, he was in the choir. But in the book it does not say that he is the smartest, or the biggest, or the toughest one. It simply says he is the silent one. So why is he second? He is second because he is sadistic. He applies torture and rules through fear. It almost seems that he follows Machiavelli's quote, "It is better to be feared than loved." Roger also hardly speaks with Jack. If Roger and Jack were left alone in a room, one of them would wind up dead or both of them would plan to kill everyone that is not in the room. Roger is an athletic, violent, and silent person who shouldn't be trusted, for he can shift the tables around and kill to survive, or so it seems.
haha I also agree with amy and sergio. piggy is an advisor to ralph, and for me, kind of the one that makes ralph strong, in some way. Roger for me is kind of a person that also wants power, and is very similar to jack, in some way. at first he is calm but as the stories keeps on getting to an end, he starts showing his true colors, for when he was bullying a little one, with a rock, he didn't exactly hit him. for me he starts looking like jack when he kills piggy, that's when i figured out he was the second jack. if he killed one person, he can kill more.
Ralph and Piggy are very united in their making of choices. Ralph was asking for advice and such.
Roger however kind of appointed himself as the military leader, killing Piggy is a good example. Roger had this NEED or craving for power, he was a bit selfish in that sense.
Whereas Piggy was really thinking about EVERYONE, and solving issues.
But i think both were the same in the sense that they were very loyal.
Piggy's role as an assistant to Ralph differs from Roger's to Jack.
Piggy gave aid to Ralph and mentally supported him during his downfalls. He gave him suggestions such as using his glasses to make fire and etc. He also supported him (along with Simon) when he wasn't able to keep controlling the boys and wanted to resign as their leader.
Roger, on the other hand, obeyed Jack and did everything he asked him to. The author didn’t mention that he did something extraordinary to help him.
I also think that Piggy was an ad visor and Roger was just second. Ralph only realizes that he has lost a friend until the end "And in the middle of them, with filthy body, matted hair, and unwiped nose, Ralph wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of the true, wise friend called Piggy." (Golding, page 184).
Roger, on the other hand, was second in command because he was one of the choir boys and was loyal to Jack because of his violent nature and savagery. His cruel and evil nature, similar to the one of a serial killer is what made him go along with Jack and become his follower.
I felt disappointed that there is not much emphasis on Roger's character.
I think that Piggy is a stronger second leader than Roger because Piggy actually thinks ahead, plans and is intelligent in the things that he wants for the boys and the island. Piggy was an advisor to Ralph; his specs were the seekers of knowledge and the answers to actual questions.
Roger was not really a second leader he was just second person to Jack. Roger was not the example of a leader because he did not plan and think about things for the kids to do in order to survive in the island, he did not give Jack any suggestions (Even if Jack wouldn’t take them anyways) but Roger is not the example of a leader of any sort.
Just like Ralph and Jack, Piggy and Roger were totally different leaders.
Even though Piggy was discriminated and always picked on, he never held the wanting of revenge or any hate inside of him. This made him a very good advisor and he always found a way to help Ralph.
Roger used violence to get what he wanted and he followed Jack's example.
Jack thinks he is too good so Roger was never his equal, and they didn't even really work together for did they discuss issues or decide together? The only thing Roger did was work as the executioner and he ensured that Jack had a reign of terror. Roger helped bring out Jack's more svage side.
Piggy and Ralph on the otherside worked more as a team. They dicussed what was hapenning and possible solutions. Piggy was a balance to Ralph that helped keep his savage side at bay. Also, Jack never really trusted Roger for couldn't Roger suddenly turn against him to seize power? Instead Ralph did not have this fear so he did work well with Piggy.
Piggy was companion to Ralph while Roger was more of a threat to the others boys for Jack. Piggy is a fair, rational boys while Roger is a dark, cruel, and violent boy. Ralph actually took piggy opinions into mind while Roger's opinions are most likely disregarded by Jack.
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