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Ralph starts out as being the figure of order, civilization, and good leadership. He wants to build huts and make a rescue fire. He loses power rapidly however when the group of boys succumb to savagery. At the beginning of the story he can not understand why the boys are so bloodthirsty.
Jack represents savagery and the desire for power. He hates weakness and considers himself too much for everyone.
Jack and Ralph stand on opposite sides of the island for a reason. Ralph stands up and takes care of the littleuns; Jack treats them like dirt and does not care about them. Jack also uses his power to gratify himself. Ralph also sees the changes in the boys, physically and morally. He wishes to stay as civilized as possible. Savageness for Jack seems first nature.
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While they were on two polar extremes, they eventually began to weld into the same side of the argument. However, when this happened they still disagreed. Despite numerous warnings, Ralph failed to aknowledge that he had become a savage, and believed that Jack was the only one. Jack, however, felt that he was being reasonable and Ralph was a threat. Both, however, were lucky to have been saved when they were because, had they not, they would have destroyed each other.
Ralph and Jack are the most opposite people that have ever been forced together. Their view on everything is different, from the way people are treated, to their very thoughts of the role of a tribe.
In the beginning Ralph is already showing that he wants to be a leader, and that he likes to have control, and influence.
Jack is quite the same in the beginning. He wants to be incharge of his beloved choir boys.
Over a period of time i feel that Jack changes more than Ralph. Jack becomes more of a savage, thats for sure, and his lust for power and adrenaline is going way out of control as well.
Ralph matures a lot, in a better way than Jack does. He's really thinking about how to get things done and get off the island and stay alive in the mean time. Ralph is not as selfish as Jack.
Jack is more of a "ME ME ME I I I" HE wants food, they hunt, HE wants to be chief, HE thinks they should kill. He doesn't really take advice from anyone.
But then i have to agree with the others about Ralph being a bit of a savage. In the book it admits that he wants to grab the brown flesh, and he is ever so thrilled that he wounded the pig. But he doesn't admit it. Jack is more like "I'm powerful, I'm mean and I'm loving it!"
Jack and Ralph are the exact opposite of each other in personality, this is because of the way they feel and act towards others.
Jack has a dictatorial personality; he likes to rule and does not like suggestions, comments or complaints about what he does or who he is. Jack also shows his EVIL side more often than he does his nice side and this leads to his eventual overthrow of Ralph as the leader.
Ralph is more free style, he lets people suggest, as Piggy would do, and he helped people with their conflicts like when the litlluns feared the beastie. Opposite to Jack, Ralph shows his good side more than his EVIL side which is intrinsic.
Jack and Ralph are complete opposites and that is the reason that the war between them is ongoing.
Most stories have an evil antagonist, and a good protagonist. This idea may be applied to the novel "The Lord of the Flies".
In this case, Ralph would be the good person. A person who is a charming and honest leader,and someone who is thoughtful and helpful.
Jack would be the exact opposite of Ralph, and he would be known as the evil person.
Ralph and Jack are very different because of their different ways of leadership. Ralph lets people do what they want but with a little bit of order and not too much chaos. Jack was different because his way of ruling was more dictatorial and he would take decisions without asking his hunters or choirboys. Ralph was also different because Ralph had a way of making the little ones feel safer by having hope that they were going to be rescued. Jack tortured the little kids and made the kids thing that there was a beastie which frightened them even more.
Ralph and Jack share some similarities and have some differences. First of all, Jack is more of a dictator who would order people what the things he wants to be done. On the other hand, Ralph is more of a democrat who allows things to be done by their own ways, but with some rules/laws too. Second, Jack uses more torture and violence towards people in order to get the things he wants to be done. Ralph speaks instead of abusing or using violence to get the things he wants to get done. Third, Jack is more of a stubborn person in which he only thinks about himself. Ralph is totally the opposite. Ralph takes the public opinions somehow, but not always, and he does not abuse them if the things get done in a way he didn't want. Last, as time passed, he has become more of a violent person, but Ralph has got into a generous person who allowed people to be treated the same way as he/she wants. These are some of the differences and similarities between Jack and Ralph.
Jack and Ralph are both very different. For me Ralph is a kid that at first is really mean, but when the novel starts getting to it's end, then he kind of changes. He's nicer to Piggy and more responsible.
Jack is a mean person that only cares about himself, he's really this type of guy that can do anything for anything that he wants, and he will kill if we has to, just to get what he wants.
I disagree with Erika on saying Ralph is mean. He seems mean by the way he treats Piggy in the begging, but he is actually a very care in my opinion I think Ralph is a responsible leader that stands for his group. He is very responsible and does what he thinks is best for everyone. Apart from Jack – selfish and devilish – he is still weak and unsecure of himself as being leader. In the story, Jack desires and wants – ends – being leader, which brings him on becoming capricious causing chaos in the island.
At the beginning of the story, Ralph – as we all know – is leader. He takes responsibility of his position and has really clever ideas – example; to make a fire for being rescued. He sets rules so that there is order in the island and society, but as the story goes, they don’t work out that well. Then, Jack becomes leader, by breaking away of the group with his hunters.
Ralph at the beginning turns out to be the best choice for leader but soon that proves wrong. Appearance does help a campaign but does it really help you rule? I dont think so. If you are a good ruler, then you must have intelligence, talent for ruling, and you must care for the welfare of your people.
Ralph proved to be a weak ruler and eventually lost to a more able and talented ruler.
Jack at first seems brutal and is in fact portrayed to be like that throughout the whole book but is he really? To tell the truth, i think Roger is the brutal one.
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