Thursday, October 16, 2008

After Reading

What faults in our society does William Golding point out in Lord of the Flies?

12 comments:

Jimena :D said...

One of the faults I see is when Jack wants to be the only leader. Instead of being many in power, everyone taking decisions, everyone participating, and not only one in complete control. This becomes a problem because there will eventually be someone else that wants power as well and there will be a fight over it. They should have chosen to be a democratic or participative instead of autocratic.

Heejae said...

I agree with Jimena that Jack wants to be the leader. I think that Jack is selfish and he wants to take the power away from Ralph he wants to have the power on his own and wants to do whatever he wants. This also happens in society. Especially in companies against companies. They want to be better than the others.

Sergio said...

Golding points out many faults in society. Unlike what Jimena and Hee Jae said, it is not wanting to be the leader that is a fault, but excessive competition is a better way of putting it, to me. To a certain level, there must be competition, or else, how would the economy function? Politics? Everything is a competition, and helping others in the competition is not a fault Golding is pointing out. It is the over competition; when it becomes a need to beat everyone and everything. When it reaches that point, nothing from the outside world is accepted and the only people who get hurt are the ones who get involved.

hadar said...

I agree with Sergio that William Golding indicates that the faults of society are caused as a result of the constant competition between the strong and weak.

"Life a game", and in order to win and have success in it, every individual must overcome or compete with his mate. It's a constant "competition" in which people or animals fight for power and resources. Often the strong, wins and takes over the other.

In the Lord of the Flies, Jack is known as the superior individual, which eventually "defeats" Ralph in many ways, both mental and physical.

Kevin said...

Golding does point out many flaws in our society with competition being one of them. But competition is inevitable. Not everyone can share the same views, there are too many religions, too many ways to view a certain concept, so many that no one can agree on ANYTHING! That is why there is chaos and destruction in our society.

jesi hayes said...

I disagree with you guys. It is not exactly competition which is a fault being pointed out. I believe it is more HOW competition takes place in society because as some of you mentioned, without competition how can there be progress?
Instead the major fault I believe Golding tries to point out society has through "The Lord of the Flies" is the corruption and weakness of Law and Order which is represented by the conch. Since the beginning the conch has been treated specially as, "He held the shining thing carefully" (170). The conch seems to me as a solid representation of following the 'golden rule'. "Treat others as you want to be treated". With the conch all the boys were supposed to be treated equally as by holding it everyone should not interrupt. Note that I said should not instead of could not, becuase that is how Golding shows that law and order is one of the faults of society for Jack rebells against the power and control of this object.
In a society, if Law and Order were not made to favor anyone for in this case if favors the chief for he can always interupt, then society would work out. Things are not like that. Powerful and imposing people like Jack fight against it and thus destroy any balance of justice. If things were fair then competition would not be a problem for people would be treated equally and given the chance to speak. By speaking then conflicts would be avoided because the complaints of the people should be appeased so competition should not create problems.

faaBy said...

One of the major faults that Golding talks about in the novel is competition.
Competition will always be part of our society somehow, but too much competition brings awful consequences.
In "The Lord of the Flies", the competition among Jack and Ralph only causes more chaos and problems.

Won Park said...

There are some the faults I see that William Golding points out in Lord of the Flies. First of all, it's the taking over to gain more power. William Golding tries to show that someone should not just gain power and order the people what to do and how the things should be done only because he/she believes himself/herself that he's a strong leader. A leader should be chosen by the people and the people should choose how they want to be governed. Second, it's bullying little children. William Golding tries to show that even though someone's is older, it doesn't mean that he/she has the right to bully the little kids. Third, it's the rules/laws. Rules are made for them to be used and people to follow for the whole time or until the ruler mentions it. Last, William Golding mentions that competing too much is not too good for the people. It's because competition sometimes may cause the use of violence towards people for revenge or even deaths can be caused. These are some of the faults in our society that William Golding mentions.

Heejae said...

I agree with Won. Golding is trying to teach a lesson to everyone. There are many lesson that he is teaching. Be poud of what you have, the golden rule, and many other lessons. We can also see that still in life most is about competition and wanting to have more, having more than others, and trying to be the best of all.

Paula F. said...

One of the most mayor faults that Golding points out and that we can clearly see when reading the book, is the way society has fought for contrl of power, rights and desire. The three mentioned all relate to each other. People seek power because of their desires. Desires are provoked on dreams and believed people have. And human rights always get involve, because if anyone disagress on the type of government or ruler, they will opose to them. Also if that ruler or government are to injust, like racism against jews, people will demand their rights and then they will reveal against their ruler for demand of human right. That later might cause a revolve, revolution or a war.

Ryan said...

I see two main ones: the greed of humans and their quest for power, and the fine line between our society and our real nature as a race.
The greed of humans is pointed out in this book in the conflict between Ralph and Jack. They are both guilty and both desire the same thing.
The fine line between our society and our real nature is pretty obvious when it is portrayed in the book, and that is what it is mainly about.

Amy G said...

There are many faults in Lord of the Flies. One of them is the corruption that leaders with enormous amount of power with no responsibility usually have. Jack was immersed in his power, and he really didn't know how to handle it. I also see selfishness. Ralph and Jack didn't care about the little 'uns.